'World has history of once-radical rebel leaders having to moderate to face realities of governance'

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For the first time in a decade, US diplomats are in Damascus to hold official meetings with Syria's new de facto rulers led by Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) to discuss Syria's political transition. For in-depth analysis and a deeper perspective on the West's efforts to open channels with HTS, and its leader Ahmed al-Sharaa, FRANCE 24's Gavin Lee is joined by our International Affairs Editor Douglas Herbert and William Jordan, former US State Department Official previously stationed in Damascus.